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Building a Music Career Fans Can Emotionally Invest In

Guest: Jenna LoMonaco, Head of US Marketing at ONErpm

Summary

Jenna LoMonaco, head of US marketing at ONErpm, has worked in music marketing for over 20 years, on campaigns ranging from breaking Shawn Mendes to established acts like Elton John and Nick Jonas. She argues the essence of marketing an artist never changes: finding where fans live and building a real, long-term connection with them, even as the platforms for doing that have shifted from MySpace to TikTok and YouTube.

With Shawn Mendes, everything centered on his existing rabid fan base rather than a template that works for every artist, since most artists never build that kind of intensity. LoMonaco splits her work roughly fifty-fifty between proactive groundwork and reacting fast to a spark, such as when Mumford and Sons' cover of a Bob Dylan song at the Grammys outperformed the show's own nominees and her team moved immediately to convert the attention into sales and follows.

ONErpm structures deals around splits and licensing periods rather than a standard label contract, letting artists pick anything from full support to just DSP and advertising help. LoMonaco says branding and consistency across an era, in the way Taylor Swift reinvents herself release to release, matters as much as any single platform, and that fans stay loyal because they know what to expect from an artist they follow.

As of the episode's release on 26 August 2025.

Key takeaways

  1. 01LoMonaco splits her work roughly fifty-fifty between proactive planning and reacting fast when a real spark, like a viral moment or an unexpected sync placement, appears.
  2. 02With Shawn Mendes, the whole campaign was built around an already rabid fan base, which she says is not a repeatable template for every artist.
  3. 03YouTube remains an underrated platform for breaking artists, even though most current attention and short-form strategy centers on TikTok.
  4. 04A team is most valuable at the exact moment a song or artist starts to break, since knowing what to do with a lucky moment decides whether it becomes a lasting career.
  5. 05ONErpm structures its deals around splits and licensing periods instead of a standard label deal, so artists can pick anything from full-team support to just DSP and advertising help.
  6. 06Branding and consistency across an era, similar to how Taylor Swift reinvents herself for each album, gives fans a comfort and identity they keep returning to.

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Questions this episode answers

How did Jenna LoMonaco help break Shawn Mendes?

She says his campaign worked because he already had a rabid fan base, so her team built everything around getting those fans involved rather than following a generic playbook, and she cautions this approach cannot be copied for an artist without that kind of existing fan intensity.

How proactive versus reactive is artist marketing?

LoMonaco says it comes out to roughly fifty-fifty: an artist needs a proactive plan and steady groundwork, but also needs to recognize a rare spark, like an organic celebrity co-sign or sync placement, and move fast, because these moments are rare and unrepeatable if missed.

Why is YouTube still valuable for artist marketing?

LoMonaco calls YouTube a wildly underrated platform, noting it is literally how Shawn Mendes broke through, and says people building marketing strategies today often forget how much success is still available there compared with newer short-form apps.

How does ONErpm's deal structure differ from a major label?

Services are offered on an a la carte or full-team basis, priced through splits and licensing periods rather than a standard label contract, so an artist can choose just DSP and advertising help or bring on the whole team depending on what they already handle themselves.

How does Jenna LoMonaco think artists should balance novelty and consistency?

She says the amount of novelty is up to the artist to decide for each phase of a career, since musicians can reinvent themselves release to release the way Taylor Swift does, while still keeping fans engaged through recognizable branding and consistent messaging within each era.

some big celebrity or influencer organically uses your music or you get a sync placement or whatever it is, you have to make sure that you're really using that to your fullest advantage.
Jenna LoMonaco

Episode notes

What does it really take to turn a viral moment into a lasting music career?

Head of US Marketing at 1RPM and a music industry veteran with over 20 years of experience has played pivotal roles in the rise of artists like Shawn Mendes, Elton John, and Nick Jonas, and she shares candidly what it really takes to build artist brands that last.

Jenna breaks down real-world case studies, including the marketing behind Shawn Mendes' early success, how to make the most of breakout moments, and why understanding the artist’s story—and the fan’s mindset—is essential in crafting campaigns that resonate. 
The rise of TikTok, the power of YouTube, or why branding and consistency matter more than ever, Jenna’s insights are both strategic and deeply human.

For artists, managers, or anyone in the business of building music careers, this episode is packed with lessons in authenticity, adaptability, and the power of the team behind the artist.

Learn about ONErpm: https://onerpm.com/

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0:02

Jakob Wredstrøm

So do you have any questions, like technical or any other questions about it?

0:05

Jenna LoMonaco

⁓ I know at the end I have wait for it to upload before I leave. ⁓ No, but I think I'm all good. I'm familiar with this.

0:09

Jakob Wredstrøm

Yeah.

0:12

Jakob Wredstrøm

Great.

0:15

Jakob Wredstrøm

Perfect. I have one way that I start every single episode and it's I make a very brief introduction, very casual, very Scandinavian. And then I ask you who you and what do you do. I like the guests to do their own introductions. ⁓ And ⁓ the reason for that is just it sets a casual tone. It's easier for me to sort of build from rather than doing these presentations myself. ⁓ And then I'll just sort of unfold the conversation. Great. ⁓

0:41

Jenna LoMonaco

Okay, wonderful.

0:46

Jakob Wredstrøm

If I want to say your last name. ⁓ Lomanico. Okay. ⁓

0:48

Jenna LoMonaco

Lomana go.

0:52

Jenna LoMonaco

⁓ My marriage last name is way more complicated, so be glad. There's two Z's in that one. ⁓

0:56

Jakob Wredstrøm

Okay. ⁓

0:59

Jakob Wredstrøm

Okay, ⁓ a little bit. Okay, great. ⁓ Perfect. ⁓ So I will start in five seconds.

1:12

Jakob Wredstrøm

Hey guys and welcome back to the podcast today. Have a huge honor of interviewing Jenna Lomonaco on the podcast. Welcome.

1:20

Jakob Wredstrøm

I'm good. It's been so good speaking to you for the last 10 minutes. And as I said, ⁓ at the very beginning, my head is very much at digital marketing right now. Like at Amplitude, we're setting this up more and more in our team ⁓ and looking through your CV ⁓ when we have the opportunity to get you on the podcast and be like, okay, this is a woman that I want to talk with. And you've had some amazing ⁓ experiences and breakthrough outs in your career. ⁓ But Jenna, before we get into that, for the people who don't know who you are, who you and what you do.

1:49

Jenna LoMonaco

Sure, so my name is Jenna Lomonaco. I am the head of US marketing here at 1RPM and I have been working in the music industry for over 20 years now.

2:00

Jakob Wredstrøm

Amazing. ⁓ And it's not just any career you've had. ⁓ You know, you've been a part of breaking careers like Shawn Mendes and big acts like Elton John and Nick Jonas and the whole thing. And as I said to you also at the beginning of our casual conversation is like, I've never really been able to figure out what it takes to break an artist. I've very, you know, to work with artists to no degree like you, ⁓ but had, you know, participation in small indie labels and I've never really cracked the code.

2:29

Jakob Wredstrøm

So what I would love to understand today is like, how do you actually think about marketing for artists? How do you think about marketing for music? ⁓ Because I know the concepts, ⁓ but it just feels like it is so difficult to create that successful campaign. ⁓ And I, ⁓ I would assume it also changes all the time. What needs to be, what constitutes a good digital marketing campaign.

2:48

Jenna LoMonaco

Yes.

2:51

Jenna LoMonaco

Right, well, and I'm never gonna sit and claim that I have ⁓ it all figured out, right? But ⁓ I think that ⁓ there are certain elements to it that always stay the same, and there are certain elements that change, ⁓ many things have changed over the past 20 years that I've worked in music. So I think that ⁓ the essence of it is always connecting with your fans and creating a real long-

3:19

Jenna LoMonaco

⁓ relationship with those fans where they see you as an artist and not as a song ⁓ or a few songs, right? Like you want a real genuine connection with your fans. ⁓ And the way that you execute that has varied ⁓ many different ways over the years, right? So when I first started working in music, it was MySpace. ⁓ And we've come quite a long way from that. ⁓ And so I think there's been many different eras of how

3:26

Jakob Wredstrøm

Mm.

3:48

Jenna LoMonaco

you could find those fans, but the key is really ⁓ being able to locate ⁓ where your fans live, who they are, and trying to figure out how you build that special relationship with them. ⁓

4:05

Jakob Wredstrøm

And me from a NAVE standpoint, I think it's a really interesting starting point you have when we talk about how to do this. ⁓ You don't really talk about the actual marketing, you talk about the underlying features that you want to, I guess, sort of grow and expose. ⁓ So how essential is that to actually have a successful marketing campaign, like having these underlying relationships that you build upon?

4:28

Jenna LoMonaco

I think very important and I think that when we're looking at working with an artist, you need to have goals and like what are those 10 pulls that you wanna hit? ⁓ And I think, you know, ⁓ in any marketing campaign, you know, there are those things where, ⁓ you know, you wanna get a feature with this outlet, you wanna do a session with this channel, you want... ⁓

4:52

Jenna LoMonaco

this magazine to write about you, which not so much anymore, but you know, ⁓ this press coverage, ⁓ you want this kind of tour, right? But ⁓ it's more about ⁓ the pathway that you need to take to get to those things, right? Because you don't just... ⁓

5:11

Jenna LoMonaco

you know, there are artists that are like, well, I want to book late night. Like, that's great. That's a great goal. So what is the road to get there? Right? And so I think that you have those tent pole things that you want to achieve, ⁓ but ⁓ you don't just do that. You have to have a roadmap there. ⁓ And so I think that ⁓ being able to have ⁓ the real conversation about

5:37

Jenna LoMonaco

What are the things that get you to those points? That's the stuff that I think people forget about is that build up, the ladder and the steps that you have to take to get to those places. And that's why, oh sorry, go on.

5:50

Jakob Wredstrøm

Hmm.

5:53

Jakob Wredstrøm

⁓ Maybe ⁓ one thing that could be really interesting for me to understand from a practical angle, also knowing that I don't really know how to do this as of yet, and I hope to understand it more in the future, is, ⁓ for example, your journey with Shawn Mendes. ⁓ As far as I understood, he sort of came into your work life when he was 15 and basically was a talent.

6:09

Jenna LoMonaco

Mm-hmm.

6:18

Jakob Wredstrøm

Like when you have something so raw, ⁓ what do you look at? What are the personality traits? So what are his pasts that you look at to build something around? ⁓ Maybe you could dissect an example like that. How do you go about thinking about this?

6:33

Jenna LoMonaco

So, I mean, with Sean, I think that was an interesting one because the reason why he ⁓ started to get so much attention is because he had such a rabid fan base, right? So I think that everything that we did was very circle. ⁓

6:50

Jenna LoMonaco

circled and focused around the fans and how did we get them involved with everything that we were doing, right? So ⁓ everything that we tried to achieve for Sean was very focused on how to help, how to get the fans to be a big part of that because he had a very rabid fan base that wanted a piece of that, right? Like they wanted to help him to get to that success level. ⁓

7:16

Jenna LoMonaco

That is a really fun case in marketing, but not every artist has a fan base like that, right? So it's a little bit hard to ⁓ use that as like a baseline because ⁓ not every ⁓ artist has a rabid fan base the way that he had.

7:37

Jakob Wredstrøm

So are we getting back to the thing about marketing? To be effective, you need to have something first. Is there actually a case for building something up from scratch, like in general? Which is a lot of the efforts that I've tried.

7:51

Jenna LoMonaco

Right.

7:52

Jenna LoMonaco

I mean, yeah, absolutely. I think that in today's world, it takes a lot more effort from the artist than it ever did in the past, right? And the unfortunate truth is that artists really need to be content creators too. And the way that you do that and the way that you execute that doesn't have to, it shouldn't be the same, right? It needs to be very true to you and who you are as an artist. And no one should, you I don't believe in the label pressure

8:22

Jenna LoMonaco

⁓ an artist that you have to make a bunch of TikToks, right? ⁓ Just to pump out a bunch of TikToks isn't gonna solve the problem that you have. ⁓ What you need to figure out is...

8:35

Jenna LoMonaco

What is it about you and your story that people could connect with, right? So part of it is how do you get your music to people? How are you ⁓ getting ⁓ your music to be something that is familiar ⁓ and interesting to people, but then also what else is your story, right? Because the other trick with short form video platforms is it's very easy to, again, just be a song.

9:02

Jenna LoMonaco

Right? Just a song that's in a bunch of videos on a trend. ⁓ And then nobody really cares about you as the artist. So that's the tricky part is you can have success in that space and still nobody know who you are. And so you have to, it's this balance of getting ears ⁓ to hear the song and to like it, but then ⁓ to also connect to you as an artist.

9:15

Jakob Wredstrøm

in.

9:26

Jakob Wredstrøm

Hmm. Like one of ⁓ the big contemplations ⁓ I have when it comes to artistry in general is sort of, ⁓ obviously the content creates the part of it, but also like the business seven s and understanding trends and stuff. ⁓ In your experience, how big a part of this is natural for like the usual successful cases? Is that something they inherently understand as an artist? ⁓ Or is that something they train? Is it a team that sort of applies it?

9:55

Jenna LoMonaco

I think that...

9:57

Jenna LoMonaco

The artists that get that they have to put in the work, that's the biggest thing, right? ⁓ Because you do get a lot of artists that are like, well, I don't wanna do that. ⁓ And the way that I kind of see it is like, well, I hate doing email, ⁓ but I have to, it's part of my job, right? And so, ⁓ like I said, the truth is that ⁓ you have to market yourself and the way that you market yourself is utilizing these platforms. ⁓

10:02

Jakob Wredstrøm

Okay, sure.

10:27

Jenna LoMonaco

Now that doesn't mean, I do not believe that TikTok is the end all be all answer, right? YouTube, I think, is a wildly underrated platform in terms of how much success you can have. mean, obviously, that's how Shalmendez broke what's supposed to be YouTube, right? But I think sometimes people forget how valuable that platform is.

10:44

Jakob Wredstrøm

Hmm.

10:52

Jenna LoMonaco

⁓ And I think ⁓ you have fans that live on all of these different platforms. So how are you ⁓ engaging with all of them ⁓ in a way that they want to be engaged with?

11:09

Jakob Wredstrøm

So a person like you that's had such an interesting career and now have such a big position in marketing, ⁓ what are the things that you believe that you have, ⁓ the eye you have, the knowledge you have, that you can repeat and utilize in these cases over and over that makes you able to do that? Like what are the things you ⁓ see that other people don't see?

11:32

Jenna LoMonaco

think part of it comes with experience like anything else, ⁓ I think that you need to be a true music lover. ⁓ I think that's really what it comes down to is understanding the mind of the fan, right? ⁓ That is something that I think is really interesting over like the past, I would say like, you know, maybe five to 10 years, is there a lot of super fans ⁓ that have ended up working in music, like where they were like super fans who ran an artist's Twitter or... ⁓

12:02

Jenna LoMonaco

know Facebook or whatever ⁓ and then they ended up working on marketing teams or record labels. I think ⁓ it's because they have a deep understanding of how the fans' mind works. ⁓ I think ⁓ it's really important to never forget why it is that we do this. ⁓ I had a conversation with someone recently where we talked about how ⁓ things are more algorithmic based right now ⁓ and there is a scientific, analytical, data-based element to everything that we do. ⁓

12:32

Jenna LoMonaco

And I think that's very important and I will never discount that and that's ⁓ vital to finding your fans and those are tools that we were lucky enough to have. But you have to understand the emotional part of it, right? And ⁓ how do you ⁓ channel your inner 15 year old that just loves an artist ⁓ and like wanted to know more about that artist that you love, right? I think ⁓ it might sound... ⁓

13:00

Jenna LoMonaco

I don't know, cliche or whatever, but ⁓ really never losing the music fan inside of you ⁓ and then just the experience that you get over the years, I think ⁓ that's the combination that I try to focus on.

13:13

Jakob Wredstrøm

⁓ Reflecting my own path. I think that's maybe one of the things that I do wrong is I tend to intellectualize their approach ⁓ a bit. Like trying to say, like how do you go about this? Like how do need to be present? How do you need to act? How do you need to sort ⁓ of ⁓ set yourself in a specific trend? And ⁓ I think for me, that's where my mind goes. And sort of where you also talking about now is like, ⁓

13:22

Jenna LoMonaco

⁓ Hmm.

13:42

Jakob Wredstrøm

What's the emotional aspect? What is the strong things you want to build on? Like what do you assume that people resonate with and you want to lean into? And like, ⁓ there a packaging that does that or does it only work on top of existing, let's call it charisma, psych geist or whatever that access has?

14:06

Jenna LoMonaco

think it's a matter of having a really good team too, right? Because ⁓ it's impossible to expect for an artist to be able to spend hours and hours and hours doing research of like what weird subculture of the internet is really ⁓ connecting with your music. But oftentimes, ⁓ things will trend in places that you didn't expect.

14:33

Jenna LoMonaco

And it's like, okay, so how do we, we know we have this audience, maybe. ⁓

14:39

Jenna LoMonaco

It's an audience base that loves nature. They love to go on hikes. ⁓ And they're doing lots of content just about adventure and travel and things like that. ⁓ Maybe that's not the thing that you immediately thought of when you wanted to start marketing your music, but now you see you have this fan base of people ⁓ that are really into that. So now it's like, okay, ⁓ how are we gonna tap into that? How are we gonna connect with those people? How can I make content to show that part of my life that I also love those things? ⁓

15:09

Jenna LoMonaco

You know, that's where the research and the data mixes with the emotion of like, okay, this is something that actually I really love. ⁓

15:22

Jenna LoMonaco

And these people have very naturally grabbed onto this. How do we make a connection between those two things? ⁓ Maybe this is a really good chance for me to go through my phone and share all these photos I've taken on tour. ⁓ Or maybe I've always dreamed of buying a camera and taking photos of ⁓ my adventures. And now this is something that I know that my fans would really love. ⁓ And so it's kind of like putting together the research ⁓

15:52

Jenna LoMonaco

with ⁓ that part of yourself that you wanna share. ⁓

15:56

Jakob Wredstrøm

Hmm. Sometimes it helps me to sort of ask people to generalize stuff. And I know that's a hard thing to do. But if you were to say how big of your job would be proactive versus reactive in marketing assets?

16:13

Jenna LoMonaco

I would say 50-50, right? Because you have to always be ready to be reactive to things. ⁓ I ⁓ get frustrated when ⁓ there's moments that people don't act on, right? Because there are certain key moments in this industry that you really only get one shot at, and if you don't act on it the right way, you lose it, right? That's magic in a bottle, and you get that moment, and you're trending, or...

16:43

Jenna LoMonaco

Some big celebrity or influencer organically uses your music or you get a sync placement or whatever it is, you have to make sure that you're really using that to your fullest advantage. So I think a really good example of that is many, many years ago when I was working with Mumford and Sons, the Grammys launched the feature, I guess you would call it, on the Grammys where they honor a musician.

17:14

Jenna LoMonaco

And so ⁓ they were honoring Bob Dylan ⁓ at that year. ⁓ And Mumford and Sons did a cover on the Grammys. They weren't nominated yet. ⁓ They didn't have their own performance. They were just doing a cover of a Dylan song. ⁓ And their performance was so amazing ⁓ that it got some of the biggest attention more than people that were nominated or won, right? So we were like, okay, what are we going to do? How are we going to make sure people know that their album is out? ⁓

17:44

Jenna LoMonaco

Going to know that this is them and ⁓ this is where you can buy their music and this is where you can follow them and we really worked to activate that moment because it was one of those things where ⁓ you could have just ⁓ said that was cool. ⁓

17:59

Jenna LoMonaco

And ⁓ just sat on it, and then that would have been a wasted opportunity. So you have to be ready to be reactive at any moment, and whatever opportunities you get, whatever spark you get, you have to be ready to activate on it. But being proactive is wildly important, because you don't get to those moments without being proactive and ⁓ introducing an artist to people or, you know... ⁓

18:27

Jenna LoMonaco

You know, just like basic setup work, you know. So it's, I definitely think it's a 50-50. ⁓

18:30

Jakob Wredstrøm

Mm.

18:33

Jakob Wredstrøm

Is the proactivity ⁓ to some degree ⁓ the pursuit of the reaction you need to take? Like you push something in order to get that spark that then can ignite. Okay, wow, that's really interesting. So ⁓ how big a part of that is in the daily conversation? Like, okay, we're trying this and whenever something happens, we jump on it. Like when we see like this has given something like... ⁓

18:58

Jenna LoMonaco

I think it's one of those things like, I don't know if this is a bad example, but like you're on a road trip and you need to drive, you're driving ⁓ from California to New York and you know that this is the path that you need to take, but then as you're driving, you see a road map, a sign that says like, ⁓

19:19

Jenna LoMonaco

I don't know, some cool roadside attraction that you would never in your life get to see. And you're like, you know what, we're gonna pivot and we're gonna go do this thing, right? I kind of see it in the same situation of like, ⁓ you have your tent poles of like, these are the things that we want to achieve. These are the steps that we're gonna take to try to get there. But as you're doing those things, something really cool happens in the midst of it. And how do you use that surprise? ⁓

19:44

Jenna LoMonaco

Thing that happens to kind of jump the ladder a little bit and make things go a little bit quicker, accelerate a little bit more. ⁓

19:51

Jakob Wredstrøm

Hmm. It's really interesting. I remember a few years ago, ⁓ especially when TikTok was sort of really ⁓ blossoming in music. ⁓ I'm going to say like maybe four years ago. So like what really took place. And ⁓ one of the things I heard a lot ⁓ from professionals or like amateurs like was, ⁓ you know, no longer need a team to be discovered because we have these discovery platforms. ⁓

20:16

Jakob Wredstrøm

Personally, I feel like the space is now supported again, like intention is back to king. There's not so much this happenstance, like randomness, like you actually need to have intent. What's your own sort of understanding of that whole, you know, development? And for example, platforms like TikTok.

20:25

Jenna LoMonaco

Meh.

20:33

Jenna LoMonaco

Right, well in terms of whether artists need a team or not. ⁓

20:38

Jakob Wredstrøm

Well, no, not so much that, more like ⁓ intent versus happenstance. ⁓

20:44

Jenna LoMonaco

Well, ⁓ so I think that ⁓ there was a moment of just happenstance, right? But then you have to know what to do with it, right? So, ⁓ you know, if you ever ⁓ see sometimes they do these like highlight reels on TikTok of like songs that ⁓ were like ⁓ a piece of COVID, right? Like those songs that were just like, ⁓ that's all you heard during COVID especially on TikTok, because that's where we spent our whole lives during ⁓ lockdown. ⁓

21:13

Jenna LoMonaco

How many of those artists are still around and what success did they really have from it, right? ⁓ So you think like, again, it comes back to when a real one of those special moments come along, how do you react to it? And I think it's the same thing in that a song can go viral at any moment and they do every day, ⁓ but it's a matter of how you...

21:18

Jakob Wredstrøm

Mm.

21:40

Jenna LoMonaco

Utilize that situation, ⁓ are you going to be ⁓ a moment where you're like, yeah, remember that song? Or are you gonna be like, and that's how this artist got their start, right? ⁓ And I think that's when it comes into play of like why you need a team of people that can help you with that. ⁓ To know what to do with that moment because ⁓ you need a level of expertise to know how you ⁓ really.

21:59

Jakob Wredstrøm

Hmm.

22:10

Jenna LoMonaco

Upon a situation like that. It's ⁓ rare, it's special, but when you have it, you have to know what to do with it. It's the same thing, even, sorry, ⁓ getting a hit, right? You can have one hit, but you need a team who's gonna know what to do to keep those hits going for you to not be a one-hit wonder.

22:29

Jakob Wredstrøm

It's really interesting. Haven't really thought about my reality that way that, you know, that if you hit it, ⁓ having people who know how to sustain it or, you know, do it again or, you know, build a momentum is quite key. I, you know, I was even today, I was actually going through TikTok. I really love that platform. And there was this new Norwegian song with an artist called Oscar Milko, which is like a new house, ⁓ like deep.

22:54

Jakob Wredstrøm

Something like a really cool track that's going viral with dances and it's actually really, really freaking good music. And I was just looking through his profile, this song has been out for a few weeks, maybe a month, and it's really taking off. And I just look at his profile like, this guy is gonna be stuck with that song alone. Because it's very clear, ⁓ even though he's making content every single day, I don't really see this going anywhere on his side. It's the song that's sort of taking off without him.

23:18

Jakob Wredstrøm

But then you've seen situations with like, now I be pushing the names, is it Jake, the piano player that was playing in front of us? Like the way that whole thing took off and he just leaned into it, that became a sensation, not just the song, but he became a sensation. ⁓ Like there's so big differences in like how you pursue these things. ⁓ And what I was really surprised with his breakthrough was like...

23:40

Jakob Wredstrøm

It just seems so well thought out because it wasn't like surprise and then like, okay, that was a hit. Like you just lean into it naturally. Like, do you believe like these situations ⁓ where some people are really good at bringing teams on really fast and say, ⁓ okay, I need some help in order to sort of build this up. Is that what often happens or ⁓ is like these loan assets that sort of figure that out themselves?

24:05

Jenna LoMonaco

I mean, it's always different. Some of these artists are really, really smart and ⁓ do the research to know, like, this is what I need to do. I do think that there are some people that just have, like, ⁓ skill at social media and really know what to do. But I think, like you said, like, knowing ⁓ when you need to bring in a team and ⁓ what that team is that you need to bring in, right? Because you don't also need to spend ⁓

24:32

Jenna LoMonaco

Hundreds of thousands of dollars on a million different people to be a part of your team, when right now maybe only you just need a really great digital team, right? Like you don't need to bring on PR and radio and everything else. ⁓ Take it one thing at a time. ⁓

24:47

Jenna LoMonaco

So yeah, think knowing when you need help and knowing that it's okay to ask for help and find, and there's so many great teams out there that can jump in at that moment. I think being smart enough to know what you can handle and what you need help with.

25:05

Jakob Wredstrøm

Hmm. One of the big sort of barriers for digital marketing, especially music in my opinion, is usually if you pick up, you know, let's call it appetizing for whatever you do, being a restaurant or anything like you have a product you sell that sort of you can see users are like, okay, I spend this much money, I sell this much. But music when it comes to marketing, if it's paid ads or just effort, like it's much harder metric to measure because you basically

25:32

Jakob Wredstrøm

You know, working for engagement and like the sale is the secondary nature. And oftentimes if the sale that says a stream, like it's, ⁓ it's negligible, like it doesn't really ⁓ convert to anything of size. Like how do you navigate that as like a musical artist that whatever you do ⁓ doesn't really lead to a direct sale of anything of monetary value. Most of the cases, unless you can scale it up.

25:55

Jenna LoMonaco

⁓ Yeah, ⁓ I mean like ⁓ that's kind of like the frustrating thing about where ⁓ Where we are that's what makes it so difficult is it's not just ⁓ you're gonna do this one thing and you're gonna get paid for it's doing many actions every day that are going to lead to ⁓ Monetary value and I mean listen like with streaming. It's the same thing right like you don't just need ⁓

26:24

Jenna LoMonaco

You know, somebody to buy a CD once anymore, right? You need a fan who's gonna listen to it over and over and over again, right? So what are those different tactics that you're using to get people to listen to it over and over

26:36

Jenna LoMonaco

Like there's different ⁓ listening parties and fan engagement campaigns and asking your fans to share and get their other friends to listen to save the song to their library to pre-save. You need that repetitiveness. It's not, you're not asking somebody to just listen to it once. You want somebody to listen to it over and over and over again. And so that has to be part of what it is that you're thinking about is like

27:06

Jenna LoMonaco

The repetitiveness of what you basically need people to do in order to have real success.

27:14

Jakob Wredstrøm

⁓ And I think for me, ⁓ the key ⁓ problem in understanding is exactly that. It's just like ⁓ the output is different than what you would do for digital, like, you know, traditional marketing. Like there is no product in the traditional sense. ⁓ It needs to be this continuous relationship of consumption, ⁓ which is to some degree is very unique for music. ⁓ like it. There's not many other, other than maybe creator economy itself, of course, but ⁓ it's quite unique, I would say.

27:41

Jenna LoMonaco

Yeah. ⁓ Yeah, no, I definitely think that it's a unique situation because I can't think of another ⁓ situation where you need somebody to keep going back and back and back into ⁓ your repertoire, right? So I would definitely agree with that.

27:58

Jakob Wredstrøm

⁓ And that also goes back to the difficulty like in a financing these things because you know ⁓ one of the reasons of course my labels have existed for a long time is that they have a financing element, they have a patience element, they also have a risk element. Like ⁓ you know one artist has one career, you know one label has dozens of artists so the risk can be spread out. ⁓ But I think also ⁓ my assumptions with digital marketing in this space or marketing in general is just like ⁓

28:23

Jakob Wredstrøm

The risk that you need to take ⁓ is significantly high and the return on investment is ⁓ very questionable. So people who can actually afford that, even through monetary means or energy or partnerships ⁓ is limited. ⁓ Which for me, I'm a big believer in teams in ⁓ particularly this space. ⁓

28:39

Jenna LoMonaco

Okay.

28:45

Jakob Wredstrøm

Maybe we could dissect a bit of reading to understand how a team would work. At one RPM, you guys are ⁓ a global company, have many, offices. What do you actually do? What's your activities in marketing for Assists?

28:58

Jenna LoMonaco

Sure, so.

29:00

Jenna LoMonaco

Okay, so we have a number of different services that we offer in-house, right? ⁓ So we have ⁓ project managers who are basically your coordinators and your key mastermind of who is gonna ⁓ run your campaign and who's your trusted person on the team, right? ⁓ So you have your project managers and then we have our digital strategy team that works with you to say, ⁓ this is what's working on your socials, this is what's not working, here are different ways that we can ⁓

29:30

Jenna LoMonaco

Help you grow your followers, your engagement, different fan activations. ⁓ They're constantly trying to find new ways to discover where your fans are, ⁓ where they might be, how are we going to be creative in the way that we market to them. ⁓ We have our advertising team, influencer marketing. ⁓ We have a YouTube team who does optimization and also YouTube growth strategy. ⁓ We have sync marketing.

30:00

Jenna LoMonaco

⁓ And then ⁓ we also hire out for certain services. So radio, PR, ⁓ that sort of stuff we hire out. ⁓ I just think that there's, especially with PR, I think it's a very personalized thing. And with radio, not everybody wants to go to radio, not everybody needs to go to radio, and that is one of those spends that you have to be really particular about. ⁓

30:28

Jenna LoMonaco

Because you could blow a lot of money really quickly too soon. ⁓

30:32

Jakob Wredstrøm

⁓ And when you dissect it that way, it makes sense, like I recognize that these are all activities that should and could be pursued, especially if you want to reach that scale. ⁓

30:41

Jenna LoMonaco

Right. so, ⁓ yeah, so like the really cool thing about the way that we're structured is ⁓ so ⁓ our deals are very ⁓ different than your standard label deal. Right. And so what ⁓ we do everything based on splits and licensing periods and things like that. ⁓ And so you can come to us and say, and I forgot to mention our DSP department, which is very important. ⁓ So you can come to us and say, like, we really just need help with like DSPs and advertising and influencer markets.

31:04

Jakob Wredstrøm

Thank ⁓

31:11

Jenna LoMonaco

⁓ And like those are the services you use your splits are based on that ⁓ some artists are like we want the whole team We want you guys to be our team fully invested ⁓ but it can be a la carte or it could be the full team because ⁓ But again, we live in a world where like some artists are more business savvy than others Some artists are really good at social media. They don't need our help ⁓ some artists They just want our social means, you know social help and social strategy ⁓ So we really try to be as flexible as

31:12

Jakob Wredstrøm

Hmm.

31:41

Jenna LoMonaco

We can for our artists to make sure we're being what they need ⁓ us to be for them.

31:45

Jakob Wredstrøm

⁓ Is that a particular size of artist you sort of have reference for? How do people approach you?

31:53

Jenna LoMonaco

Our A &R team ⁓ works to have those conversations, ⁓ know, ⁓ through different connections, ⁓ you know, ⁓ just ⁓ managers talking with us. ⁓ Sometimes it's like finding stuff online ⁓ and one of us really likes it and sends it to A &R. So we kind of discover artists all different sorts of ways and sometimes just in person going to a show, ⁓ the old school way of seeing an artist on tour. ⁓

32:22

Jakob Wredstrøm

Yeah. For me, it sounds like a really interesting ⁓ model. And even though like that's obviously that how a lot of things work, I think that there's been a lot of change the last few years, least the last five to 10 years in like how major labels work and ⁓ the dynamics of financing versus teams and stuff. And if you were to sort of talk about the differentiation between you and major label services in a more traditional sense that we know now, like where would you place yourself in that context?

32:50

Jenna LoMonaco

I think we have the same level of services. Again, they have PR and radio in-house and we don't. But I think that the services that we offer otherwise are on par and we can execute at the same level that they can. I think it's just a matter of the...

33:10

Jenna LoMonaco

Manner in which ⁓ you want your team to be involved, right? So a lot of our artists are very, very involved. They're on our calls. They're part of the strategy. They're talking about numbers. They know their budgets. They really want to be a part of it. And I think that we offer a level of transparency and flexibility to artists that like a more traditional ⁓ platform, a more traditional company, ⁓ it just doesn't have that level of transparency.

33:39

Jakob Wredstrøm

No, it makes sense. I think, you know, there's just a lot of interesting things happen, not only in sentiment in the industry, but also positioning market dynamics, protectiveness of market share and like profitability and firings. I work with several music companies where I also know like in the majors that has been a lot of like changes in structures employment. So it's really interesting to follow the dynamics of the markets now where things are changing.

34:09

Jakob Wredstrøm

One of the things that I'm really curious about is when it comes to, give me one second. I just had a thought and I totally lost it. My editors as well edited this out. You know, once in a while we just completely lose the train of thought while you're talking.

34:27

Jenna LoMonaco

Oh yeah, I hate that. I definitely understand that.

34:31

Jakob Wredstrøm

It rarely happens. I had a really good question and then it just disappeared. ⁓

34:41

Jakob Wredstrøm

Good thing we can edit. ⁓

34:44

Jenna LoMonaco

Take it, take it.

34:49

Jakob Wredstrøm

There we go. I'm back. ⁓

34:53

Jakob Wredstrøm

So one of things I've been thinking a lot about, I've also had a few talks in the podcast, is branding. ⁓ And also branding when it comes to the contrast of AI. Because ⁓ I think ⁓ all listeners here could agree that ⁓ social media is getting flooded. ⁓ All channels of interaction digitally is just noisy.

35:13

Jakob Wredstrøm

And therefore the assumption that I hear from a lot of people on the show who also like works with this is ⁓ the brand aspect, how recognizable you are, how you can stand out and stick to that brand is becoming increasingly important to break out. Like what's your sense of these chains in the market when it comes to noise and branding and standing out? Like is that becoming such a bigger focus than before or has it always been big?

35:37

Jenna LoMonaco

Think it's always been a big focus. ⁓ I think it's really important for an artist to have... ⁓

35:45

Jenna LoMonaco

A brand's identity that's wrapped into everything that you do for each album, right? And so whether it's ⁓ your styling, the visuals that you create, the ⁓ types of campaigns that you run, ⁓ the way that you're interacting on your socials, ⁓ I think that also makes it fun for the artists too, right? It's like, I'm in ⁓ this zone for this album. ⁓ But I think... ⁓

36:15

Jenna LoMonaco

You have to, ⁓ people feed off of repetitiveness, right? And that constant... ⁓

36:25

Jenna LoMonaco

The reliability of like, this is what this is, this is what this looks like, this is the feeling of this, right? ⁓ I think that's really important, but I think it's always been important. It just changes in the way that you execute it.

36:40

Jakob Wredstrøm

⁓ I think the repetitiveness is something that I am starting to learn. ⁓ As an entrepreneur and also, you

36:50

Jakob Wredstrøm

Diagnosed late in my life with ADHD, like one of the things that I have really struggled with is ⁓ consistency over time. And also, you know, I've, I've failed to understand the importance of it. And I think this podcast is maybe a pretty good example. Like we've done around 130 episodes and we've never skipped a week since we started, which is two years ago, I think last week. ⁓ And when I'm talking with my business partner, ⁓ Tash, he's from India, he's much smarter than me. And basically. ⁓

37:18

Jakob Wredstrøm

⁓ He's a bit funny once in a while and says, Jacob, just stick to things. ⁓ You always skip from things to things. Like you stuck to one thing, which is the podcast. Now it's big. Like just learn the lesson. And I think for me, that's such a challenging mindset because ⁓ I'm very much like a narcissist, like this very exploratory nature expressing myself. ⁓ And ⁓ I am always sort of... ⁓

37:41

Jakob Wredstrøm

Drawn to the novel experience, like this new thing, chasing ⁓ all these things and ⁓ whatever it is to come to realize, even though I believe I have a strength of hitting new trends, like for example, the podcast here, the first podcast in the world to have a live AI avatar interview with myself, ⁓ like covered by international media, ⁓ but, ⁓ I was like, okay, I need to lean more into this. And I just realized, no, ⁓ just do the podcast. Like don't do all the fancy stuff. And that's the continuity that has made this podcast.

38:09

Jakob Wredstrøm

In my very little niche space, very large, ⁓ and that's the only thing. It's just you know obviously some quality and some presence digitally but it's just been continuity and I oftentimes forget the importance of that and that's I guess what you're speaking into like just be there.

38:27

Jenna LoMonaco

Yeah, I think that...

38:28

Jenna LoMonaco

Level of comfort that comes with people knowing what to expect. Like I read this article once about how, you know we all have that one TV show that you've seen over and over and over again but you still always watch it, you don't understand why. And it's because you know that you're gonna put it on and you're not gonna be stressed out. Nothing's gonna happen that's going to stress you out or that's gonna be unexpected. You just know you're gonna watch it and you're gonna laugh and it's gonna be fine, right? I think that there's something to be said for that.

38:58

Jenna LoMonaco

⁓ Musically even, where like fans know that they're gonna listen to this artist and they're going to be able to get their anger out. They're gonna listen to this one album and they're really angry and they're gonna be able to listen to that and know that they're gonna be able to that emotion out. ⁓ There's an album that they love by their favorite artist that like ⁓ it's really sad and it's gonna be comfort to them. ⁓ And so ⁓ I think that it's the same kind of concept of kind of giving

39:28

Jenna LoMonaco

People ⁓ this level of like what to expect and staying true to that doesn't mean you always have to do the same thing but staying true to that and every now and then you can mix it up and see like what happens and kind of like a b-test kind of like what kind of content you're making even but I think that there is a level of comfort that comes with ⁓ people knowing what to anticipate what to expect ⁓ and also ⁓

39:58

Jenna LoMonaco

That becomes part of their identity too. Think about when you were a teenager and you loved your favorite artist and that was like, kind of, you took on that personality. I was a Nemo kid. That was a big piece of who you were. You know you were gonna go to shows and see the same kids and the type of music and that you were gonna be able to get your angst out. So...

40:20

Jenna LoMonaco

I think that it ⁓ all comes back down to people feeling like they know what's to come and the place where they belong and so that repetitiveness. And I will say, as someone who listens to podcasts a lot, I want to know when I'm turning on a podcast what to expect. ⁓

40:38

Jakob Wredstrøm

100 % like again, ⁓ I do it myself like I follow a podcast and ⁓ I choose particular shows given what I what mood I want to be in and the good hosts like can introduce that over and over again ⁓ And I definitely appreciate that and I think for me that's actually really good analogy ⁓ But where does the sort of creative expression and freedom coming that like how do you balance that like a lot of the odds is friends I know like

40:49

Jenna LoMonaco

⁓ Mm-hmm.

41:06

Jakob Wredstrøm

They're very much about this personal realization where, you know, to some degree, it's very much an egotistic pursuit, which obviously a lot of art comes from. But like, how do you balance that need for novelty and then the sensibility of consistency?

41:21

Jenna LoMonaco

Right, well I mean that's up for the artist to decide the novelty part of it, like where they want to go for each phase of their career. And I think that's something that's really cool about music too, right, is that ⁓ you can enter these different phases of your career. I mean no one does that better.

41:43

Jenna LoMonaco

Than Taylor Swift, right? Like her ⁓ different errors and like the way that she's remade herself over and over and over again. ⁓ I think every artist can do that. I mean, not at a level that she does, but like ⁓ every artist, you have your different album, your album's gonna sound a little bit different, it's gonna look a little different, your branding's gonna be a little bit different, maybe the content that you're creating, the conversations that you're having with your fans, the way that you're engaging with them. ⁓

42:12

Jenna LoMonaco

⁓ It's ⁓ these little pods and you get to reinvent yourself over and over and over again. And I think that ⁓ creates this new level of, ⁓ like a constant level of creativity for the artist. And I love working campaigns like that where the artist really embraces those different kind of ⁓ levels and worlds for each album. I think that's really exciting. ⁓

42:28

Jakob Wredstrøm

Hmm.

42:40

Jakob Wredstrøm

But I would also assume that those outs have sort of crossed some sort of boundary of ⁓ fandom for the music and universe and then fandom to the actual person, I guess, to some degree. ⁓ Like, ⁓ what happens in that intersection where it's no longer just about, you know, these are the songs and the vibes I love, but this is the person I adore? Like, what is the difference there?

43:04

Jenna LoMonaco

In terms of ⁓ what? ⁓ That's an interesting question. ⁓

43:08

Jakob Wredstrøm

⁓ How does an artist cross into that? What is happening where it's not just, a fan of the music, I'm a fan of the person. ⁓

43:17

Jenna LoMonaco

Well, that's the ultimate pursuit, right? So ⁓ making sure that ⁓ they are attached to everything that the artist is doing and not just ⁓ that one thing, ⁓ right? Like how... ⁓

43:35

Jenna LoMonaco

How do you ⁓ get people to connect with you as a person, right? ⁓ And I think it's different for every artist because every person is different and you have to understand what part of you are you willing to put out there.

43:54

Jenna LoMonaco

Right, so if you look at an artist, and I'm talking about big artists, because they're good examples, but like The Weeknd, right? ⁓ Like, ⁓ he's such like a mysterious figure, right? ⁓ But you do know his character as well. Like he always has these different characters for his releases. And I feel like... ⁓

44:18

Jenna LoMonaco

People then connect with that character. So ⁓ I say that to artists a lot of times of like, ⁓ do you want to be the person that people are connecting with ⁓ or do you want like a persona?

44:31

Jenna LoMonaco

Right? Like what is it that you want people ⁓ to feel that connection with? Because there's some artists that are just ⁓ very open and honest and raw about who they are and ⁓ what they're passionate about, what they're struggling with, and people really connect with that and feel like, my god, this person really gets me. Or there's this mystique, this like... ⁓

44:57

Jenna LoMonaco

Character, right? And you create this subworld ⁓ for this character and how do you get people to connect into that world and create its own little culture around it.

45:08

Jakob Wredstrøm

⁓ It's so interesting. ⁓ I had a talk with Mac from even, ⁓ I guess a few podcasts ago and I sort of in my own talk during the podcast, I was talking about how I act as a leader and, and ⁓ a CEO ⁓ and

45:31

Jakob Wredstrøm

For the podcast, I have this persona that I've developed, which is a very real part of me, which I am operating right now, which is curiosity, ⁓ it's generosity, it's like, ⁓ let's call it. ⁓

45:42

Jakob Wredstrøm

Vulnerability, ⁓ like these things. ⁓ That, that I keep consistent during the podcast and at no point in time has that been fake, but it's a part of my persona ⁓ in work. Let's say working with either my team or the startups, I'm ruthless and, people get very shocked because you know, luckily the podcast has grown such large that, know, ⁓ every second call I jump on, say, Hey, I love you from the podcast, which is very nice for me. ⁓ But people are oftentimes very shocked that, you know, I'm dead honest and I will cut you with a

46:08

Jenna LoMonaco

Great.

46:12

Jakob Wredstrøm

Knife in business. And people are so shocked and like, Oh, is this Jacob from the Pakistan? Yeah, it's actually have both sides. I actually prefer to be ruthless. That's how I operate the best. That's where on behalf of, you know, us building businesses, that's where I really perform best. And you really need to be a particular type of person to enjoy working with me. And which I'm more like of the athlete persona. But that doesn't show itself in the podcast. And for me, that's been, I wouldn't say it's very conscious choice, but it's just been a natural extension, like,

46:13

Jenna LoMonaco

You

46:20

Jenna LoMonaco

⁓ Huh.

46:42

Jakob Wredstrøm

Me as a podcast host is a true part of who I am, but it probably only occupies 20 to 30 % of the full scope of who I am. If that makes sense. So that's also what you're saying, and maybe I have a very special way of approaching it. That's also what I'm hearing you saying, that you as an artist can also choose, this is a real part of me, but this is where I place myself in the branding.

47:07

Jenna LoMonaco

Yeah, totally. I mean, I think that it can be different elements of yourself. Listen, I think everyone's like that. Like my husband jokes that I'm like, work, Jenna. He like hears me on a conference call. Like we all have that, right? We all have our career minded selves and we all have our regular life selves. And I think we all have a piece of that. And then you have artists that then create this totally different identity. So we work with this artist named Henry Morris,

47:37

Jenna LoMonaco

Who's kind of created this total ⁓ alter ego for himself, right? And he still goes by his own name, but ⁓ he's kind of created this whole different world and mystique around himself. And it is, it's like ⁓ a piece of him. It's like, ⁓ comes from his ⁓ own vision. ⁓ But he created this really cool ⁓ mystique. ⁓

48:05

Jenna LoMonaco

That goes around his music and how people see him. ⁓ And I think that's a really fun way for people to connect with an artist also. Like it doesn't just have to be as simple ⁓ as like different sides of you, but you can have a side of yourself that you can kind of like take from within and just like create this, this... ⁓

48:28

Jakob Wredstrøm

Mm.

48:31

Jenna LoMonaco

That's the word that I'm looking for, like aura, you know? ⁓ And so I encourage artists to be as creative and find that within themselves ⁓ is like, you don't just have to be like... ⁓

48:33

Jakob Wredstrøm

Yeah.

48:44

Jenna LoMonaco

You know, when I talk to people about, well, what part of you do you want to share? You don't just have to be like, hey, I write songs and I like to go to the gym and cook and this is what I'm going to talk about. Like, yeah, you could, that's fine too, right? But like, maybe there's like a different element of like, ⁓ where do you tap into when you write those songs? And what are those songs about that? ⁓ How do you want to have that conversation? Because... ⁓

49:05

Jakob Wredstrøm

And

49:10

Jenna LoMonaco

Sometimes the music is, most of the time, that music's really incredibly personal and you don't really want to talk about it. So what is the way that you do feel comfortable talking about those really sensitive and deep emotional topics?

49:22

Jakob Wredstrøm

Yeah.

49:25

Jakob Wredstrøm

Hmm. Yeah, and obviously it needs to be something you can sustain as well. So like it needs to be real, but you don't need to feel like you're compromising your whole persona. Like this is something I can do for a while and still be real. Yeah. ⁓

49:36

Jenna LoMonaco

It has to be authentic. No matter what it is, it has to be authentic.

49:41

Jakob Wredstrøm

I think this is where it comes down to my thoughts about artistry, where I've ⁓ missed this in the past and I'm more convinced of it now, is the authenticity, but also the authenticity of talent, the authenticity of story, the authenticity of how you can present yourself. ⁓ And in the past, I think I've had this assumption that I believe less so now, that you can through... ⁓

50:06

Jakob Wredstrøm

Hard work, you know, make any ambitious artist become something special. And, you know, maybe that's not a popular opinion, but I'll make a parallel to entrepreneurship, which I know, I know even better than the Nazi street is like, when you talk with a founder that just has it.

50:26

Jenna LoMonaco

Hmm.

50:28

Jakob Wredstrøm

It's never gonna compare to the founder that doesn't have it and just really striving for it. Like there is this element of a person that is gonna be ⁓ the ⁓ unfair advantage at all points of time. And then it's just about, okay, when you found this person, like how can you make that even better? How can it sustain? How can you build resilience and how can you build a strategy around it? But this assumption that anyone...

50:54

Jakob Wredstrøm

Let's say like someone has something can just magically turn into that. I actually think it's like to some degree a false assumption. It rarely happens. It needs to be based on that very special base ⁓ that very few have. Does that make sense?

51:02

Jenna LoMonaco

Mm-hmm.

51:07

Jenna LoMonaco

Yeah. Oh, 100%. And it's a thousand percent true. And I've seen it in my career a hundred times where like you hear a song, you meet an artist and you're like, oh, this is going to be huge, right? Like this is going to be massive. And then sometimes it's also just about the stars aligning in the right way. And you know,

51:29

Jenna LoMonaco

Is are people open to hearing that type of music in that moment, right? And culturally, we go through different moments where different genres are popular, ⁓ different sounds are popular, different visuals are taking off. And so ⁓ I've, of course, ⁓ seen a lot of artists that you would think would have been huge and just don't. ⁓ And then you have those artists that it's like a spark of lightning and just comes out of.

51:59

Jenna LoMonaco

Nowhere. ⁓ So there is an element of the right place the right time also. ⁓

52:04

Jakob Wredstrøm

Yeah. But that's also an entrepreneurship. It's, you know, I think it's, ⁓ sadly, ⁓ a lot of this is about just ⁓ numbers and being one of the numbers. Like it's, ⁓ you, you've, if you've been dealt some great cards and you have a good team, it increases the likeliness of you doing something significant, but it definitely does not ⁓ promise it at all.

52:29

Jenna LoMonaco

Yeah.

52:29

Jakob Wredstrøm

And that's the sad part of this. Like you might have all the elements, ⁓ it just wasn't the stars just didn't align. And that's how life is. And that's also the confusing thing about this is like, there's so many more elements than intent and team and capability. Yeah.

52:32

Jenna LoMonaco

Yeah.

52:45

Jenna LoMonaco

Yeah. ⁓ Yeah.

52:48

Jakob Wredstrøm

Thank you so much for your time. Yeah, I feel like I've, a few of the things, a few of the questions about how I might have done in the past, I've gotten nuance from this and that's really helpful. And this is a podcast where lot of entrepreneurs, innovators, and music industry professionals are listening and.

52:50

Jenna LoMonaco

No thank you, this is a really great conversation. ⁓

53:08

Jakob Wredstrøm

⁓ It's less so in our understanding like ATSIS directly but it's like understanding what we're actually selling at the end if it's music technology if it's infrastructure, whatever it is, it is ATSIS understanding the dynamics of connecting with fans that is just so essential. If you maybe could describe for me like the most important takeaway of understanding fan relationships with ATSIS right now.

53:34

Jakob Wredstrøm

How would you describe, what are the things that people need to know about the fan, the artist, and how to connect them in this current time and age?

53:43

Jenna LoMonaco

Yeah, I think that there are people. ⁓

53:47

Jenna LoMonaco

Following you as an artist right now ⁓ that want to be engaged. They want to be active. They want to be a part of what you're doing and that's when data comes into play right ⁓ and to knowing ⁓ Who is the most active on your audience base? Even just as simple as looking in your DMs looking at your comments. Where are the repetitiveness ⁓ of people? ⁓ Who are constantly engaging ⁓ but don't be afraid to reach out to those kids and say like hey

54:17

Jenna LoMonaco

Hey, please post about this, please share this news. ⁓ What do you think of this? Use them as a soundboard of new music. ⁓ What's your opinion? Get your friends to also participate. There are people that want to engage and want to be a part of ⁓ your success. And don't be afraid to utilize that tool that is very much available to you. ⁓

54:46

Jenna LoMonaco

People get nervous to do that and I think it's there and it's available to you and know how to engage with those people and use it to your advantage because they want that. It's not taking advantage of somebody, they want to be involved with it.

55:02

Jakob Wredstrøm

Amazing, that's so practical. And actually I haven't thought about it. And that's also the naivety of it. Like the lowest barrier of entry is trying to find who's already there, already trying to engage and just do that. I think there's this, know, there's this sometimes we overthink what is necessary in order to get to the next step. Jenna, thank you so much. It's been a pleasure to have you.

55:17

Jenna LoMonaco

Yeah.

55:22

Jenna LoMonaco

Mm-hmm. ⁓

55:28

Jenna LoMonaco

You too! This is wonderful.

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